Guildless – What Now? - Guild Wars Forums

wolfe2dale · Apr 26, 2006, 01:20 PM // 13:20

I have been playing GW for over 9 months now, in that time I have been a member of four guilds. Three of them for a protracted period of time & one for only a few hours. I have found that, (not surprisingly), the best way to fully enjoy this game is to be a member of a guild.

Yet I am currently guildless, why is this?

Well, I’ll give you a quick run down of the reasons why I left my previous guilds and finish with a question. Hopefully the combined wisdom of the players on this forum will help me figure out why.

When I first started playing in July 2005 I was invited to multiple guilds within the first few weeks, after getting acclimatised I picked the most likely sounding guild & accepted.
I got lucky here because it was full of dedicated players trying to compete both in pve & pvp.
I stayed with this guild for six weeks until the internal bickering & politics caused it to fracture. Various core players left the guild to find there own way in the game, I was one of these.

The next guild I joined had just been formed by a former associate from the previous one. As we knew each other well I was made an officer & we set about recruiting other likely players.
This worked out really well & a small, solid guild was formed, I thought my problems were over & settled back to play.

Unfortunately, there was one fly in the ointment, this did not manifest itself until two months later when Freelancer experienced some form of problem that caused players to lose their characters.
Why would this be a problem? Well most of the guild players also played Freelancer & so they universally abandoned GW to rebuild their FL games. I stayed in the guild for a further two weeks, playing almost completely solo for that entire time. Eventually I just gave up, messaged my friend that I was leaving, picked up my bags & wandered off looking for pastures new.

By this time I had been playing for almost 5 months & decided to stay away from guilds for awhile.
For the next month I played by myself, did a lot of missions with pugs & some pvp in random arenas. As you can imagine this got old quite quickly. As fortune would have it I struck up a conversation with a guy in Ascalon who seemed to be if a like mind, he turned out to be the GL of an new guild that was looking for a few players, he invited me & I joined.

What followed was the best GW experience so far, the guild played both pvp & pve equally & had loads of experienced players. We even managed to get the guild into the top 1000 of the ladder. I was with this guild until a few weeks ago, the reason I left? Something happened that made me feel betrayed for all my hard work for the guild, I won’t go into it, but I felt that I could not stay as it would be a constant reminder of the betrayal.

Now I was stuck, no guild, Factions coming up & not sure what to do. I was almost immediately invited into another guild, probably because I was wandering around as a guildless lvl20 warrior in the Ascalon at the time. I left this guild almost as soon as I joined, the reason? The GL was a lvl13 new player who had formed the guild with some friends equally as new & I didn’t want to baby-sit an entire guild, I wanted to jump straight back into gvg battles & SF/UW farming with experienced players.

So, what do I do now? I’m hesitant to accept guild invites in case they are like the one I just mentioned & I’m really not cut out to be a GL myself.

Mr_T_bot · Apr 26, 2006, 01:21 PM // 13:21

I'm cool so I'm going to have my own guild and try to ally with people.

Skuld · Apr 26, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

Umm.. im not gonna click that but I seem to remember it being trolled on slashdot.. isnt it someone covered in shit..

EDIT: What territory are you in?

Skuld · Apr 26, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30

Thats the same link -___-

Lonesamurai · Apr 26, 2006, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by I_PWN_NOOBS_LOL

CLICKABLE LINK

DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK, IT JUST KILLED GENTLEBREEZES COMPUTER!

RTSFirebat · Apr 26, 2006, 01:34 PM // 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_PWN_NOOBS_LOL

Link removed - RTS. MUCH BETTER

Do not click that link, another one of this stupid spam posters. Please report and posts you see from this person till a mod closes it.

Mournblade · Apr 26, 2006, 01:37 PM // 13:37

/report for the asshat spamming the forums

to the OP: I've avoided guilds myself because what you've experienced seems to be the 'norm' for guild wars guilds. I've met plenty of great people, but none were concentrated in one guild. Unless you have the luxury of building a guild of real life friends, I don't see a good solution to your problem. I guess the best thing I can tell you is keep trying and good luck finding a good guild. :P

Poison Ivy · Apr 26, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuld

Umm.. im not gonna click that but I seem to remember it being trolled on slashdot.. isnt it someone covered in shit..

Thanks...*not going to click link*

Anyways, take off your pants and yell FREEDOM

wolfe2dale · Apr 26, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42

I play out of the UK, so I'm in the European servers.

Rayne Nightfyre · Apr 26, 2006, 01:47 PM // 13:47

Lonesamuri, you need to edit and remove the your quote with that link in it, also.

RTSFirebat · Apr 26, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfe2dale

What followed was the best GW experience so far, the guild played both pvp & pve equally & had loads of experienced players. We even managed to get the guild into the top 1000 of the ladder. I was with this guild until a few weeks ago, the reason I left? Something happened that made me feel betrayed for all my hard work for the guild, I won’t go into it, but I felt that I could not stay as it would be a constant reminder of the betrayal.

Oh come now, do tell what happened, it kind of makes the point about the 3rd guild... well pointless! Least give a load-down of this 'betrayal'.

I myself have any been in 2 guilds, I'm still in my second one. The first guild was great, I was the best ranger on the team and we got upto rank 400 at one point. Sadly internal changes made everything go to s***. Basically the leader felt the need to limit those who could GvG and made GvG devisions and stupid rules and all sorts. Needless to say people got upset and started quiting, me as well.

Now my curren guild is ok, but hardly ever GvG and never bring rangers along, so most likely I'll be looking for a new Guild come Factions, one with access to Elite Missions.

Snowman · Apr 26, 2006, 01:56 PM // 13:56

First of all,

WTF are you guys doing replying to this guys thread about a completly different thread that has nothing to do with this one and spreading that lame shit even more?

Poor guy has just spend along time writing up this post... have some respect!

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfe2dale

So, what do I do now? I’m hesitant to accept guild invites in case they are like the one I just mentioned & I’m really not cut out to be a GL myself.

Well, you have two options!

A] just keep trying guilds until you are satisfied!..

there must be one out there! try using one with teamspeak!.. you get to know what people are really like much better.

B] Form your own guild

Just give it a go!... even if you only have 3/4 good members, its definatly worth the experience.

I formed my Guild over 10 months ago.. its gone through hell and back ... its only a small guild but im proud of it and want to build it up!...

Hope this helps.

koneko · Apr 26, 2006, 02:06 PM // 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman

Well, you have two options!

Actually, there would be three, if ArenaNet would do something to address the fact that some people just don't like playing with immature groups. No, not all guild are immature, but that has been my experience so far (even with a group of adults older than myself!)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman

just keep trying guilds until you are satisfied!..

There's only so long that you can "keep trying" before you get sick of looking and stick to playing solo/PUG/henchmen.

<--- almost 5 months without a guild

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman

there must be one out there! try using one with teamspeak!.. you get to know what people are really like much better.

So far, I've only come to realize that, deep down, people are greedy, rude and vile pigs (if anyone gets that reference, have a drink), even moreso when they're able to hide behind the anonymity of "teh intarwebzorz."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman

Form your own guild

Easier said than done. Actually, telling someone to "find a guild" or "join a new guild" is easier to say than to do. The problem here is that ArenaNet isn't doing anything to address the userbase that doesn't like dealing with crap when they login ("lawl U CUM HE1P ME NOW!!!111" or those that are unable to find/stay in groups for some other reason).

zamial · Apr 26, 2006, 02:06 PM // 14:06

I feel your pain,i as a new player started my own guild recruited heavily and lost lots of gold as players quit quickly.so recently i went guildless for a month and got bored....then i joined a guild with 40+peps that gvgs every weekend and is filled with new players.ie level 13 officers and such.i just explained how to get into fow to an officer and i want to quit,but remembering the frustration of being a guild leader has stopped me.well i hope you find your niche/guild as i am appathetic to your situation. btw i have 4 level 20 maxed chars and am not a noob.i remeber when firestorm was a good spell..............

Tryll · Apr 26, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Yeah I was a kind of nomad the first several months I played this game. I joined in May 05 and at first was inundated with guild invites (of course that was before the 100g invite fee) but most of these guilds were full of inactive players. I then joined a nice guild with some friendly players but alas they disbanded as the guild leader stopped playing. So after that I just got on with things on my own, doing missions with henchies and a little bit of RA, but I got to the stage I was thinking about quitting altogether.
Luckily I just decided to make a new char and was questing one day when another player starting chatting to me. A week or so later I was invited into his guild which at first only had around 12 players or so. That was in November and I'm still there as an officer. While we're not the biggest guild, we've got over 40 members and I for one am a better player for joining them.

I would say don't give up on finding a good guild yet, however, be cautious about accepting random guild invites. Ask questions about the guild before you accept the invitation so you'll be able to see a bit of what the guild is all about. If the person is genuine about making a good guild, then they won't mind answering them.

Good luck and I hope you find a good guild soon.

Talin Verderben · Apr 26, 2006, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Yeah, a good Guild can make the whole experience so much better. I have been playing for about 8 months now and I have been with the same Guild since day 1. I actually have been promoted to officer recently too!

Everyone in my guild, save like 3 people, are in some way connected. Friends in RL or relatives, and only 1 person is younger that 16. Its a very close knit group which is awesome. We help each other out as much as possible and freely give items and materials to each other.

We havent done any serious PVP as of yet but we want to start looking that way soon.

Kook~NBK~ · Apr 26, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Play with memebers of prospective guilds for a while before committing to them. Spend time getting to know the members, if you can do it on TS or Vent., even better. They're the best method for really getting to know the people you're playing with and can add to the enjoyment of the game.

A second tip - a guild that is selective (not to the point of elitism) in its recruiting will be a better bet than the one's that have "really cool capes."

Pr1nc355SaRa · Apr 26, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

make your own guild. it's not as hard as it seems. once you have a few officers you trust to keep things going while you're not online it goes smoothly.

occassionally silly things slip up but it's easy to just kick out the idiots and recrute more mature players.

i didn't think i was guild leader material but i tried and it's working quite well. i started my guild Here Be Dragons in november last year and all the officers i recruted at the begining are pretty much all still there. it doesn't have to be a big guild to be a good guild. *grin*

Sir Mad · Apr 26, 2006, 02:32 PM // 14:32

I've just left a guild that I really liked for personnal reasons so I guess I know what you feel... I need some time to decide myself to join another guild, but one thing is sure: I wont try out all the random guilds looking for players. Instead, I'd rather ask the very good players I prty with if their guild is recruiting. Most of the time a good player won't stay in a guild of inexperienced players so I guess it's the better way to find a good guild.

I should change my profile btw >.<

Snowman · Apr 26, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by koneko

Actually, there would be three, if ArenaNet would do something to address the fact that some people just don't like playing with immature groups. No, not all guild are immature, but that has been my experience so far (even with a group of adults older than myself!)

hmm, well thats not really a choice than anyone can excercise

Quote:

Originally Posted by koneko

There's only so long that you can "keep trying" before you get sick of looking and stick to playing solo/PUG/henchmen.

<--- almost 5 months without a guild

So far, I've come to realize that people are rude and vile pigs, even moreso when they're able to hide behind the anonymity of "teh intarwebzorz."

well, I must admit having my own guild and kept it going, so I dont really speak from experience, so you may have a good point here.

However, using Teamspeak you quickly get to know what people are REALLY like, just by their attitude, tone of voice .etc.. I maybe wrong but I really do feel this helps alot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by koneko

Easier said than done. Actually, telling someone to "find a guild" or "join a new guild" is easier to say than to do. The problem here is that ArenaNet isn't doing anything to address the userbase that doesn't like dealing with crap when they login (or those that are unable to find/stay in groups for some other reason).

hmmm, well I understand that to be in a guild is the point of guildwars, maybe its not the most perfect system in the world, but you have to persevere.

Again, Im not sure what its like swapping guilds etc, all I know is that, in my experience, working harder for something is always more rewarding. Forming a guild isnt easy, but its very rewarding

--

I just noticed you said that your in the UK (OP)

Have you thought about Joining a UK only guild?..

Apr 26, 2006, 01:20 PM // 13:20	#1
wolfe2dale Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hemel Hempstead Guild: Guildless... Profession: E/Me	Guildless – What Now? I have been playing GW for over 9 months now, in that time I have been a member of four guilds. Three of them for a protracted period of time & one for only a few hours. I have found that, (not surprisingly), the best way to fully enjoy this game is to be a member of a guild. Yet I am currently guildless, why is this? Well, I’ll give you a quick run down of the reasons why I left my previous guilds and finish with a question. Hopefully the combined wisdom of the players on this forum will help me figure out why. When I first started playing in July 2005 I was invited to multiple guilds within the first few weeks, after getting acclimatised I picked the most likely sounding guild & accepted. I got lucky here because it was full of dedicated players trying to compete both in pve & pvp. I stayed with this guild for six weeks until the internal bickering & politics caused it to fracture. Various core players left the guild to find there own way in the game, I was one of these. The next guild I joined had just been formed by a former associate from the previous one. As we knew each other well I was made an officer & we set about recruiting other likely players. This worked out really well & a small, solid guild was formed, I thought my problems were over & settled back to play. Unfortunately, there was one fly in the ointment, this did not manifest itself until two months later when Freelancer experienced some form of problem that caused players to lose their characters. Why would this be a problem? Well most of the guild players also played Freelancer & so they universally abandoned GW to rebuild their FL games. I stayed in the guild for a further two weeks, playing almost completely solo for that entire time. Eventually I just gave up, messaged my friend that I was leaving, picked up my bags & wandered off looking for pastures new. By this time I had been playing for almost 5 months & decided to stay away from guilds for awhile. For the next month I played by myself, did a lot of missions with pugs & some pvp in random arenas. As you can imagine this got old quite quickly. As fortune would have it I struck up a conversation with a guy in Ascalon who seemed to be if a like mind, he turned out to be the GL of an new guild that was looking for a few players, he invited me & I joined. What followed was the best GW experience so far, the guild played both pvp & pve equally & had loads of experienced players. We even managed to get the guild into the top 1000 of the ladder. I was with this guild until a few weeks ago, the reason I left? Something happened that made me feel betrayed for all my hard work for the guild, I won’t go into it, but I felt that I could not stay as it would be a constant reminder of the betrayal. Now I was stuck, no guild, Factions coming up & not sure what to do. I was almost immediately invited into another guild, probably because I was wandering around as a guildless lvl20 warrior in the Ascalon at the time. I left this guild almost as soon as I joined, the reason? The GL was a lvl13 new player who had formed the guild with some friends equally as new & I didn’t want to baby-sit an entire guild, I wanted to jump straight back into gvg battles & SF/UW farming with experienced players. So, what do I do now? I’m hesitant to accept guild invites in case they are like the one I just mentioned & I’m really not cut out to be a GL myself.

Apr 26, 2006, 02:06 PM // 14:06	#14
zamial Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Usa Guild: TKC Profession: N/	I feel your pain,i as a new player started my own guild recruited heavily and lost lots of gold as players quit quickly.so recently i went guildless for a month and got bored....then i joined a guild with 40+peps that gvgs every weekend and is filled with new players.ie level 13 officers and such.i just explained how to get into fow to an officer and i want to quit,but remembering the frustration of being a guild leader has stopped me.well i hope you find your niche/guild as i am appathetic to your situation. btw i have 4 level 20 maxed chars and am not a noob.i remeber when firestorm was a good spell.............. Last edited by zamial; Apr 26, 2006 at 02:10 PM // 14:10..

Apr 26, 2006, 01:21 PM // 13:21	#2
Mr_T_bot Banned Join Date: Apr 2006	I'm cool so I'm going to have my own guild and try to ally with people.

Apr 26, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25	#3
Skuld Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr] Profession: A/	Umm.. im not gonna click that but I seem to remember it being trolled on slashdot.. isnt it someone covered in shit.. EDIT: What territory are you in?

Apr 26, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30	#4
Skuld Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr] Profession: A/	Thats the same link -___-

Apr 26, 2006, 01:37 PM // 13:37	#7
Mournblade Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Guild: Dawn Treaders [DAWN] Profession: W/Mo	/report for the asshat spamming the forums to the OP: I've avoided guilds myself because what you've experienced seems to be the 'norm' for guild wars guilds. I've met plenty of great people, but none were concentrated in one guild. Unless you have the luxury of building a guild of real life friends, I don't see a good solution to your problem. I guess the best thing I can tell you is keep trying and good luck finding a good guild. :P

Apr 26, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42	#9
wolfe2dale Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hemel Hempstead Guild: Guildless... Profession: E/Me	I play out of the UK, so I'm in the European servers.

Apr 26, 2006, 01:47 PM // 13:47	#10
Rayne Nightfyre Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Acolytes of Lyssa [AL] Profession: Me/A	Lonesamuri, you need to edit and remove the your quote with that link in it, also.

Apr 26, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20	#15
Tryll Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Scotland Guild: [DS]	Yeah I was a kind of nomad the first several months I played this game. I joined in May 05 and at first was inundated with guild invites (of course that was before the 100g invite fee) but most of these guilds were full of inactive players. I then joined a nice guild with some friendly players but alas they disbanded as the guild leader stopped playing. So after that I just got on with things on my own, doing missions with henchies and a little bit of RA, but I got to the stage I was thinking about quitting altogether. Luckily I just decided to make a new char and was questing one day when another player starting chatting to me. A week or so later I was invited into his guild which at first only had around 12 players or so. That was in November and I'm still there as an officer. While we're not the biggest guild, we've got over 40 members and I for one am a better player for joining them. I would say don't give up on finding a good guild yet, however, be cautious about accepting random guild invites. Ask questions about the guild before you accept the invitation so you'll be able to see a bit of what the guild is all about. If the person is genuine about making a good guild, then they won't mind answering them. Good luck and I hope you find a good guild soon.

Apr 26, 2006, 02:21 PM // 14:21	#16
Talin Verderben Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Columbus, Ohio Guild: Guild of Calamatous Intent Officer Profession: R/	Yeah, a good Guild can make the whole experience so much better. I have been playing for about 8 months now and I have been with the same Guild since day 1. I actually have been promoted to officer recently too! Everyone in my guild, save like 3 people, are in some way connected. Friends in RL or relatives, and only 1 person is younger that 16. Its a very close knit group which is awesome. We help each other out as much as possible and freely give items and materials to each other. We havent done any serious PVP as of yet but we want to start looking that way soon.

Apr 26, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28	#17
Kook~NBK~ Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A little chalet outside Drok's Guild: Natural Born Killaz	Play with memebers of prospective guilds for a while before committing to them. Spend time getting to know the members, if you can do it on TS or Vent., even better. They're the best method for really getting to know the people you're playing with and can add to the enjoyment of the game. A second tip - a guild that is selective (not to the point of elitism) in its recruiting will be a better bet than the one's that have "really cool capes."

Apr 26, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28	#18
Pr1nc355SaRa Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Guild: Here Be Dragons	make your own guild. it's not as hard as it seems. once you have a few officers you trust to keep things going while you're not online it goes smoothly. occassionally silly things slip up but it's easy to just kick out the idiots and recrute more mature players. i didn't think i was guild leader material but i tried and it's working quite well. i started my guild Here Be Dragons in november last year and all the officers i recruted at the begining are pretty much all still there. it doesn't have to be a big guild to be a good guild. grin

Apr 26, 2006, 02:32 PM // 14:32	#19
Sir Mad Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Moe's Pub Guild: Pigs Can Fly [Pigs] Profession: R/	I've just left a guild that I really liked for personnal reasons so I guess I know what you feel... I need some time to decide myself to join another guild, but one thing is sure: I wont try out all the random guilds looking for players. Instead, I'd rather ask the very good players I prty with if their guild is recruiting. Most of the time a good player won't stay in a guild of inexperienced players so I guess it's the better way to find a good guild. I should change my profile btw >.<